• Kelly replied to the topic World Cup 2018 in the forum General Banter 3 weeks, 5 days ago

    Here’s an interesting conundrum for you all to consider

    If England and Belgium win their next games and so both qualify before the final game, which merely becomes a question of who tops the group. Brazil and Germany improve on initial matches and qualify, but the latter is second to Mexico and so play Brazil in the last 16. This is known before the Eng-Bel match, whilst the winners of Group H (Japan, Poland, Senegal, Columbia) isn’t known but isn’t exactly terrifying.

    Now then the winners of Eng-Bel, if they win their R2 match, will face Germany or Brazil. The losers, again if they win in R2, would face someone like Mexico or Switzerland.

    Will either side try to win?

  • Kelly replied to the topic World Cup 2018 in the forum General Banter 4 weeks, 1 day ago

    Wow, what a game! Germany beaten by Mexico.

  • Kelly replied to the topic China and football? in the forum General Banter 1 month ago

    More generally, why aren’t these countries and the ones in between not good at any athletic sports?

  • Kelly replied to the topic Any sciatica experts? in the forum Health 1 month, 1 week ago

    I have suffered with bad sciatica in the past, regular shiatsu massage really helps. Now I just have piriformus pain (like sciatica but pain stays up near the hip more)

    About 6 weeks ago I discovered a local trigger point pilates class. WOW what a difference, who knew that sitting on a pair of squishy prickly balls could be so good. It’s a cross between yoga and pilates, using foam rollers and squishy balls. I feel so much straighter and my core strength and flexibility are really improving.

  • Can I ask why everyone dislikes the water rowers so much? They are all they have at the gym I currently go to, and when I go and row on an air one now there is so little resistance that I feel like I’m doing nothing!

  • Kelly posted a new activity comment 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    Tampering is premeditated and has to be organised. Diving is premeditated in the sense that everybody knows it’s going to happen but not in an organised way like tampering.

    What interests me is the psychology of cheating in professional sport. How do otherwise mainly decent people justify behaviour which deliberately breaks both the spirit but the laws of the game?

    Clearly the high stakes are the prime motivation to push the limits of the laws of a game. But it strikes me that there is a conspiracy of hypocrisy and silence. The media contrives to pretend that sport, even football, maintain some sort of corinthian purity. Most participants know that this is crap as do the ex-players who make up much of the media. What is acceptable is what is deniable.

    Australian cricketers…[Read more]

  • Kelly posted a new activity comment 4 months ago

    Sport as it relates to national teams is inherently political.

    I don’t think England should go to the World Cup, no, if sufficient evidence exists to link Russia to the Skripal killing. Ideally there would be some international unity, but I can’t really see that happening.

    I don’t think the players would be at risk, but the fans would from Russian hooligans. You’d be mad to go as a supporter.

  • Kelly posted a new activity comment 4 months, 2 weeks ago

    The money players earn is often cited, sometimes lazily, as a reason why that fight or spirit has been lost. Back in the day when your profile dictated earnings, a stellar cup run or a winning team was the zenith upon which you got known and got to dictate somewhat, your worth.

    Now even very average players have image rights, boot deals and endorsements on top of fantastic wages, without some of them really having to prove too much.

    I’m not suggesting a regression to the pre Jimmy Hill days, and fair play to those on the sort of money which means they’re set for life, but when mediocre equals millions there isn’t, as far as I can see, the incentive to be the best.

  • Kelly posted an update 4 months, 2 weeks ago

    Arsenal: Wenger has to be sacked!
    Think I heard Martin Keown saying ‘Wenger is like a defeated boxer in the ring where no one is prepared to throw the towel in for him and he keeps going back for more – someone (Chairperson/owners) needs to give him a way out coz he keeps waiting for the ideal way out, which doesn’t happen’.

    Stadium half empty last night and sounded like they were rubbish. Pity, coz I think Arsenal are one of those teams with many neutral supporters, and have played some of the best footie ever in that league.

    And think I heard Ian Wright saying ‘we were told that once The Emirates was built then big cash would be available, but the club has simply become a cash cow for the shareholders/owners who are happy finishing top 4 (not likely this year !!!)

    If he…[Read more]

    • What would you like to see Arsenal become? Trophies need to be bought these days, not earned and it’s a pretty soulless experience supporting a team that spends circa £300M per year to try and compete at the top level. This still doesn’t guarantee success, either.

      • That’s a pretty good assessment. I’m a Manchester United fan. The Fergie years were great, there is no denying that. Made better for having spirited rivals like Arsenal and Liverpool. And of course there were marquee signings but they felt special and fairly rare. One of the pundits on the radio made the point that £30 million nowadays gets you a squad player.

        It’s easy (and possibly a little lazy) to state that things are different now, but there is a correlation to spending power and position. People trot out Leicester City as an example of it being different. However that season was poor in terms of the major players, plus Leicester aren’t skint (top 20 richest clubs in the world and that was before the League win. Only 7 or 8% revenue comes from ticket receipts).

        It’s…[Read more]

        • I agree entirely. And add to that the disgraceful cheating on the pitch, the bullying of the ref when decisions don’t go their way and the ridiculous earnings. Totally soulless at the moment (apart from the Leicester win) and frustrating to watch. It just feels as though the whole sport is without integrity from the top to the bottom which in the spirit of the thread is what I feel AW has, in bucket loads.

          Im a neutral fan of Arsenal and now feel its time for its Statesman manager to go, with dignity, and let someone else try and change things with a new perspective.

      • Last summer Arsenal made profit in the transfer market. I’d like to see them spend some of their massive wealth on players. They’ve bought too many duffers – so need to sort this out (one of the reasons Wenger has to go). And I’d like to see them playing as if they really meant it – bad management a key factor here (another reason Wenger has to go). And many of the fans are voting with their feet (another reason). Their business model is in danger of total failure – making profit on players but finishing outside Champions League !!

        I know what you mean about buying trophies, but I am a Wigan Latics fan and more than happy to prove you wrong on that one !!!

        • Serious question – how is it bad management re: the playing style?
          It’s brilliant what Wigan did (as a United fan you had me cheering from the rafters). But, you’ll not be bank rolling a bid for Messi anytime soon off the back of a good FA Cup run. It almost (could?) prove where the focus lies. There are trophies and there are trophies – unfortunately.

        • Buying trophies is why football is the new wrestling – it’s entertainment but it’s not sport. Just like you sit there in a Bond film routing for 007 to win, but really he always does. The outcomes are predictable. Can’t see why the average person wastes any time, money or effort on professional football. Plenty of good sport available these days.

          Football, like the stock market, is just a money game – no longer tied to it’s original purpose.

      • Here is an example of money in football.

        We have a world cup being held in Quatar. We hear of human rights violations and workers dying on a regular basis. Its basically the land that time forgot.

        We have a top level manager in Pep Guardiola being held up as a shining light for his support of the Barcalona independence fight wearing his (Totally against the rules) yellow ribbon.

        Guess who is one of the top ambassadors for Quatar for the world cup.

        Its all money!!

    • As a neutral I’d say Wenger was brilliant when he arrived and did much to singlehandedly transform the culture of the game but now he seems to have run out of steam and should leave with whatever dignity he has left intact. I feel genuine pity for a guy who has outstayed his time and either won’t or can’t acknowledge that. Contrast it with Alex Ferguson’s departure with a league title in his pocket. That was the way to go.

      As for the club being happy to finish Top Four I think most are. Football is now a business not a sport for the owners and it’s a cost-benefit analysis. Third place brings automatic Champion’s League, big pay days, six games guaranteed with potential for more and helps to lure marquee signings who will put bums on seats and help to secure CL next season to keep…[Read more]

    • Wonder who they would get to replace him?

    • Arsenal still a quality side and Wenger a top coach, but every now and again a special team comes along and some City fans have been waiting 50 years for this! Arsenal just been unlucky to get them twice in a week when they look to be finding top form.

      Nothing Wenger could have done I don’t think….C’mon City!!

    • You would think, as a spurs fan, I would be happy at seeing what is happening at Arsenal. I’m not though. Because Arsenal, alongside Spurs and Liverpool should be the models of what modern football clubs are built on. Unfortunately, they are now selling their souls to investors who see millionaires as paupers.

      There are hundreds of different sides to this. Fans paying sky tv’s ludicrous costs to watch matches. Clubs underhand activities tapping up players (Arsenal started the rot stealing Campbell from Spurs and almost tripling the highest wages in the league overnight because they got him for free so they can do one when they start losing players because other clubs pay more).

      The thing is Arsenal have been run very well and had hundreds of millions in the bank up until…[Read more]

    • Maybe he’s waiting to be sacked so he can use Ron Atkinson’s old line when he got the bullet at Man U. “I leave as I arrived – fired with enthusiasm”

      • Wenger inherited George Graham’s iron-hard defence plus Dennis Bergkamp. Once these essential parts of the team were retired he had no plan for replacing them. Admittedly he bought into the vision of a new stadium which increased the revenue stream but he has been timid in the transfer market. Apart from Shankly, Paisley and Ferguson every manager seems to run out of inspiration and thus signal the time to bring down the final curtain.

        • It’s fair to say that Wenger, with the honourable exceptions of Campbell and Kosczelny (sp?) has always come up short on defenders but he followed Bergkamp with

          Thierry Henri, Robert Pires, Manu Petit, Patrick Viera, Freddie Ljundberg, Fabregas

          Hardly unproductive signings

        • I couldn’t have said it better myself!

          As an Arsenal fan of a long-time standing, I crave the defensive toughness and counter-attacking speed of the George Graham teams. I feel very disorientated watching Arsenal these days (unlike when I first followed Arsenal seriously in the late 80s). Wenger did do well for his first decade as manager but ran out of steam years ago. He has made very few good decisions at all about the defence since the break-up of the great Spunky/Dixon/Nige/Donkey Adams/Martin Keown (or Bouldy) defence.

    • Wenger should have done the sensible thing in a May .and retired.

      and the owners were much too soft when agreeing to let him carry on.

      Arsene either doesn’t have a retirement vineyard to potter around on ,or he stubbornly believes he can produce another team capable of challenging.

      His players don’t do nearly enough. Welbeck was terrible the other night and little Jack Wilshere is not the future.

    • No! And here’s why:

      A) Wenger is easily the most interesting manager in the Premier League. Even though he is not really likeable I find myself really liking him. Arguably he presided over the most beautiful football ever played in the UK. He is part of the culture of our football – if we lose him we will miss him.

      B) It would be very unwise to suppose his replacement could improve Arsenal’s status without some significant change in spending on the team. According to no less a source than the Daily Star (sorry, it was the first google hit and I am lazy) over the last 10 years these are the top premier league transfer spending clubs:

      1. Man City

      2. Man Utd

      3. Chelsea

      4. Liverpool

      5. Tottenham

      6. Arsenal

      The relationship between spending and success seems clear, and on this…[Read more]

    • What is strange is how stubborn he is.

      His best team was great, but it was hard. Even the flare players like Bergkamp and Henry had that bit of Devil in them. But their Spine was hard, they went out and won the fight then won the game with great soccer.

      For the last decade there has been no spine, no good keeper, no hard center half, no dominant midfielder.. just countless small flare players.

      I think he’s got to go. He had great teams but its been almost 15 years since they were a genuine force.

      • The money players earn is often cited, sometimes lazily, as a reason why that fight or spirit has been lost. Back in the day when your profile dictated earnings, a stellar cup run or a winning team was the zenith upon which you got known and got to dictate somewhat, your worth.

        Now even very average players have image rights, boot deals and endorsements on top of fantastic wages, without some of them really having to prove too much.

        I’m not suggesting a regression to the pre Jimmy Hill days, and fair play to those on the sort of money which means they’re set for life, but when mediocre equals millions there isn’t, as far as I can see, the incentive to be the best.

  • Kelly posted a new activity comment 4 months, 2 weeks ago

    Various folk from arab nations are the only people keeping the rich in footballer rich. They are bankrolling so many clubs, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. So don’t expect to hear anything strongly condemning from the FA etc..

    • Exactly. You get situations where Pep Gaurdiola wears a yellow ribbon in support for jailed Catalonian politicians, which is against FA rules… yet is an ambassador for the Qatar World Cup where far more human rights issues are a problem. Then you look at who pays his salary and it all starts to make sense.

      Has football ever been a beacon of integrity, honesty and morality? (FIFA anyone?)

      • “Has football ever been a beacon of integrity, honesty and morality?”

        Perhaps. A long time ago when footballers went back to their day job on a Monday morning and the only merchandise was a home knitted hat or scarf in appropriate colors.

  • Kelly posted a new activity comment 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    Isn’t it lottery funded? Therefore thanks to all the gullible fools that paid for lottery tickets, I really enjoyed the games and didn’t pay a penny.

    Joking aside, we only complain that we’re rubbish at everything if we don’t win anything and that we should invest more. We’re not going to compete with serious nations on pluck and great British spirit.

    I enjoyed the events where we weren’t really represented as well – I think the lack of representation in many events means you can enjoy the sport in its own right and not get hung up on unrealistic jingoistic expectation.

  • Kelly posted an update 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    Dear Wigan fans, your manager got wound up (going ballistic in the tunnel at the ref and our manager), Aguero got wound up (lashed out at a fan) and some of your fans were a total and utter disgrace. We did provoke your fans, which was wrong, but the reaction was well bad, and carried one once we moved away – ripping stuff up and throwing it at the police, fighting with the police. A fan threw summat at one of our players during the game, Not good. Pity, coz you’ve played the best footie by miles in the league, and hopefully Europe. I expected better from a team used to the lows of football.

    • Success can cause arrogance and with that an almost given right to win a football match.

      They are not familiar with loosing. A shame they have forgotten where they have come from.

    • Guardiola. Classy guy…. If any of the ground staff find his dummy, then it’d only be fair to return it.

    • All of this is true. But let’s not be totally blinded by the giant-killing moment.

      Aguero was on the pitch, on his own, surrounded by Wigan fans who should not have been there, with pretty much no protection. Obviously he was coming in for some abuse, taunting and goading and shouldn’t react, but who was making sure he got safely off the pitch? He shouldn’t lash out – clearly, but heaven knows how threatened he was feeling at the time.

      Wigan should also face criticism for losing control of their ground at the end of the game and putting players in danger.

      City fans throwing objects onto the pitch – stupidity (and pointless).

      (Liverpool fan by the way – no axe to grind).

      • Great result for Wigan but I imagine there will be some kind of penalty for the pitch invasion, which will take the gloss off a tremendous night for them, especially if City complain their players were put at risk.

    • Absolutely disgusting situation for Aguero to be in. To the point it nearly took away the massive feeling of achievement and what football should be about.

      IMO Wigan should be dealt with in the harshest possible manner as this wasn’t just fans cheering and goading Aguero. He could quite easily be in a hospital bed this morning or worse.

      It will be discussed to death but where were the police, stewards etc to get the players off the pitch safely. There is talk they were outside presuming a nice straightforward win for City so it would go off without any issues. Well it didn’t and NO PLAYER should have to fight his way back off the pitch.

      The Aguero situation wasn’t bad loser. It was player who has run his backside off, full of adrenulin, getting confronted by FOOTBALL…[Read more]

      • You seem to know more about the Aguero incident than the rest of us??? Much more than you could possibly have taken from the television pictures.

        • From the telly pictures I saw he was clearly being jostled and antagonized by 3 or 4 wigan supporters. one of the Man City subs or staff was trying to get Aguero out of the way, but one of the Wigan “fans” was repeatedly getting right in his face.

          I dont believe even opposing supporters would have physically assaulted him but what was evident from even a few seconds footage was that he was in a position of risk that should not have happened.

    • I think Aguero will get a ban, the game has changed, a decade ago a bit of fan/player contact was nothing but it is more serious now. Remember schmeichel rugby tacking turkish fan and dragging him off the pitch.

      But he also pushed/punched him and then kicked out so I think a 1-3 game ban. His reaction was understandable but doubt the FA will see that. Rooney got a 3 game ban for swearing after scoring a crucial goal. He’ll struggle to make the case he had to push/punch him and kick him for his own defence.

      Great game by Wigan though, that was a huge shock result, great goal. What was Walker doing, that was just criminal.

      The red was a deffo red. Again in the modern game you walk for them, studs up, foot off the ground. Had the defenders leg been planted it could have been a leg…[Read more]

  • I don’t know of any of my male friends who would think like this and my OH wouldn’t dare . Only one of my female friends is a stay at home mum (and she was always the one I knew would end up doing that) although some work part time. All the couples I know share all the jobs at home and none of the women would ever feel or act inferior or as if they’re subservient to their partners. I earn more than my OH and most of my friends earn very similar amounts (pro rata for the part timers). We’re all university educated from upper working/ middle class backgrounds, in decent, pretty gender neutral jobs, and in our 30s so I wonder if that has anything to do with it in that older men or men in more traditionally male roles at work might think differently?

  • Kelly replied to the topic How to ease shoulder pain? in the forum Health 6 months ago

    Could be a lot of things…..subacromial impingement, bursitis, rotator cuff tear, calcium deposits in tendons…I would recommend seeing your GP who may refer you to a specialist. Sometimes all is needed is some physiotherapy, or maybe a steroid injection into the shoulder. He may also send you for an ultrasound scan/x ray . You could try some anti inflammatory meds..eg Brufen/Paracetemol. What age are you? I am in no way trying to diagnose your shoulder problem but giving you some pointers. My hubby is an upper limb orthopaedic surgeon so he sees a lot of shoulders. Hope you get it sorted soon.

  • Kelly replied to the topic How to treat ankle pain? in the forum Health 6 months ago

    if you are from the uk go and see a private physio, they are usually much better with more chronic-type/sports injuries than nhs ones IME.

  • Part of the issue not the initial move, be that a peck on the cheek or what, it’s the response and understanding after.

    If the person recoils/ pushes you away/ acts in any way uncomfortable you step back apologies and explain yourself before excusing yourself and finding yourself a hole you can crawl into to hide your embarrassment. This goes for both men and women in my opinion.

    It pretty much the tea scenario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

  • Kelly replied to the topic Coccyx Pain in the forum Health 6 months, 1 week ago

    If you have poor posture when sitting that can cause coccyx problems. Or pregnancy/childbirth can affect the ligaments around the coccyx and cause pain.

  • It’s a horrid thing to have. I did stretches as recommended by Pilates above, which are the same as the exercises for my Achilles, & it did go and *touch wood* hasn’t been back, & I’m running around 22 miles a week.

    I feel for you as it bl**dy hurts…!

  • Interesting. I still have crutches from 2005 (NHS-issued) when I broke an ankle. Nobody requested that I return them but I did try to do so, and whoever it was that I saw quite politely and convincingly explained that the paperwork involved would actually cost the NHS more than the value of the crutches. This made sense to me at the time and makes even more sense now (I work for a large corporation, private sector, and the bureaucracy can seem inefficient in terms of man hours – I am told that in the public sector it is far worse)

    I am surprised that you were asked to return yours due to their value. Were they fancy? Mine were the standard aluminum tubing ones, I imagine they cost the NHS no more than £20 wholesale.

    They are handy for getting free priority boarding on cheap…[Read more]

  • Occasionally I get to take the work van out. Mwb transit size. I’m in my 40s, and I have had a full license since 17 having learnt to drive in parents 8 seat people carrier.

    I drove 17 seater minibuses regularly since I was 21 and have trained and passed assessments for lwb minibus at University, Scouts and various local authorities when I was teaching. As a Scout leader I also occasionally took a boat trailer as well.

    Yet every time a middle aged man sees me in a car park they feel the need to take time out of their busy schedule to stare at me, and then to make helpful and unnecessary suggestions on parking or reversing.

    Yesterday 2 of them at the same time.

    I know they are trying to be helpful and it doesn’t come from a bad place, so I don’t wish to be rude, but it is…[Read more]

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