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    Fi
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    “Flirting is not a crime” says French actor Catherine Deneuve, “but rape is”.

    She and 100 female French writers,performers and academics have hit out at the “wave of Puritanism” which has been sparked by the Harvey Weinstein allegations, saying that men should be free to try and seduce women, and “hit on them”. Men “are being punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss”.

    http://www.euronews.com/2018/01/10/catherine-deneuve-says-flirting-is-not-a-crime-criticises-metoo-movement

    #4034

    soccerballz
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    Surely the issue is men not being able to read the situation.

    When I meet a group of people, I’ll kiss some of the women and not others, I’ll shake hands with some of the men and not others.

    It’s down to reading body language and making eye contact.

    The issue is people are losing this art very quickly. I blame mobile phones. People who grew up in the 60s and 70s are a lot more understanding of this.

    We are living in a very black and white polarised world now, I blame the internet, you’re either right or wrong, a sexual predator or a feminist. There is no inbetween on the Internet.

    It’ll all go full circle at some point.

    #4035

    lovely
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    Obviously she doesn’t know what she is talking about, as she’s a woman and French.

    How the hell can flirting or, lord save us “hitting on someone” ever be right?

    #4036

    strike
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    I wonder if there’s any Weinstein type character in the French film industry.

    #4037

    lilly
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    @soccerballz There’s no generalising that everyone born in the 60s and 70s is better at reading body language and making eye contact, compared with any of the younger generation?

    How is that not generalisation?

    I work with quite a few very awkward 50+ year olds, that aren’t anywhere near as comfortable with social situations, as me or many people my age.

    #4038

    Kelly
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    Part of the issue not the initial move, be that a peck on the cheek or what, it’s the response and understanding after.

    If the person recoils/ pushes you away/ acts in any way uncomfortable you step back apologies and explain yourself before excusing yourself and finding yourself a hole you can crawl into to hide your embarrassment. This goes for both men and women in my opinion.

    It pretty much the tea scenario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

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